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How to make SWE work fulfilling?

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Software Engineer at Taro Community9 days ago

Working on personal projects is fun. You have ownership, you work on a problem you care about, etc.

But at work, you might not care too much about the problem that the company product is solving, or you might not have sufficient ownership, or maybe your role is too restricted (e.g., you like talking to customers, but the nature of your SWE job means you are only expected to code).

Basically, you know what you like, but the nature of your job does not fully align with your desires/goals.

How do you navigate such situations?

Many people say to have a hobby outside of work so that you don’t crave fulfillment from work itself. That could be an approach, but I feel that when the work itself is fulfilling/fun/in alignment with what we want, that could be an even better way, as it’s tied to career growth.

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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    7 days ago

    It's pretty rare for an engineer to be genuinely excited about the product they are working on. I literally worked on ads at Instagram. Do you think I'm super passionate about making people buy crap they don't actually need on social media? Hell no. But I loved the work, and here's why:

    • Great peers - Instagram ads was full of rock stars who were also very helpful and kind. I often felt like the dumbest person in the room. This was very invigorating, motivating me to catch up and get better. Once I got better, I started taking on mentees to reshare that energy (now they're the dumbest person in the room and need to get better 🤣).
    • Hard technical challenges - Instagram ads are viewed by over a billion people every month. It is a +$25 billion per year business. At that scale, even the smallest change can require 5+ pages of detailed system design planning. I love striving for perfection and getting every tiny detail correct. This was fun.
    • Diverse skill building - When you're as big as FAANG, you will have a bunch of challenges besides the technical part. At Instagram, I was forced to get way, way better at more fundamental skills like communication, leadership, project management, product direction, mentorship, and more. Over time, I could feel Instagram making me a more complete engineer and even a more complete person with a broader skillset and worldview.

    So to answer your question, that's how you find SWE work that is genuinely fulfilling - Look for teams that can provide you these. Affinity for the product specifically is a nice-to-have, but many people think it's absolutely necessary and the only way to unlock true passion for your work. That's completely untrue.

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      Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      4 days ago

      Thanks Alex. In my case I want to diversify my role a bit, as opposed to just coding. For example, I like talking to customers. Since I was hired as a SWE, is it a fair ask to request my manager to diversify my role a bit? I only recently started my job - when would be a good time to do so?

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      4 days ago

      I only recently started my job - when would be a good time to do so?

      Good question! It's true that you don't want to "rock the boat" after joining. This is because you haven't earned any trust yet as a newbie. If you are doing a good job, you should be able to ask for more general responsibility after ~3 months. Follow the advice from the onboarding course to do so: The Complete Onboarding Guide For Software Engineers

      Some companies even have a midpoint performance review check-in every 3 months (that's how Meta worked for me). This makes it really easy to tell if you have properly situated within the team and earned their respect. If you're getting great feedback, this means that it's safe (and expected) for you to expand your role within the team.

      If you like talking to customers, you should make friends with your UXR lead (user research), product manager, and designers as they are closest to the customer. These resources can be helpful too: [Taro Top 10] Product Management For Engineers

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    Entry-Level Software Engineer [SDE 1] at Amazon
    4 days ago

    In my humble opinion, no job in the entire world can make you fulfilled if you don't have anything outside of work to look forward to (family, friends, SO, a hobby, etc).

    I have a very simple rule for generating fulfillment from work and that's to find the next opportunity to learn something new or do something you've never done before. It could be leading a large cross-functional project. It could be mentoring a junior engineer. It could be working with a tech stack you've never worked with before, etc

    Nothing kills fulfillment more than being in an environment where you aren't learning anything at all or learning something so niche and specific it doesn't translate into anything fundamental (ex. very specific frameworks, etc)

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    Thoughtful Tarodactyl
    Taro Community
    9 days ago

    Why is SWE work not fulfilling for you?

    I notice your question is very general, but imo the solution is to find a role where atleast 50% is work u enjoy, 30% dont mind, and 20% dont like

    I find earlier stage companies way more fun to work at

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      Thoughtful Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      9 days ago

      +1 to this. Startups are incredibly fun to work at, especially if you can vibe with the team and are aligned with their overall mission

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    Lead Software Engineer at Vista
    4 days ago

    I want to comment on your thought that fulfillment is tied to career growth. That's true to an extent; if someone is passionate about their product/service, they are more likely to drive results and make a business impact.

    On the other hand, it may be "boring" things that actually cause you to grow and level-up. "Engineering excellence" is a good example: writing documentation, improving on-call experience, finding gaps in processes, reducing tech-debt and so on. Especially at a senior level, you will not achieve growth simply by completing the tasks assigned to you. You need to be pro-active in finding gaps and problems, getting buy-in from the team, and executing on that. These can often be tasks that people find "boring" or "unfulfilling".

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    Mentor Coach for SWEs | Former Staff Software engineer
    13 hours ago

    Another option to consider is picking up a formal mentee or informally helping your coworkers in a variety of ways.

    One low commitment way to do this is help them with ad hoc tech troubleshooting in areas you know well. It works well both ways because they find someone reliable to go to if they get stuck (and pick up new skills along the way) and you get to have a sense of fulfillment (and become a better teacher along the way).

    Regardless of whether my projects were mission-oriented or not, one stand out aspect of my long tenure was the fulfillment I got from the mentorship my coworkers got from me!