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Quick success after getting down leveled

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Entry-Level Software Engineer [L3] at Google5 months ago

Hi everyone,

I just recently accepted an offer at Google as an L3. The thing is I have 4.5 years of experience full time and have done a number of internships (that I'm not counting in the 4.5). I didn't do super great in the coding rounds and couldn't get cleared for L4 but managed to get approved at L3. The coding rounds (specifically, algorithm optimization) was the specific reason they gave for the down level.

I firmly do believe I'm of L3 level, my manager did as well. I'm not great at leetcode so that part was off but my performance was very good at my previous company and I hope to get promoted to L4 as quickly as possible.

Anyone have advice specific to someone that was down leveled? I see a lot of discussion on a promotion from L3 to L4 in general which I've been reading a lot on. But I was curious about the down leveled case specifically

Also another thing to note - I'm about halfway through the L3 to L4 course and I'd say my skills line up virtually entirely with what Alex is describing as L4 (I used to do a lot of the L3 stuff but have improved). Is this just a matter of coming in and making sure I perform as highly as I can to speed up the process?

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    5 months ago

    Google is notorious for downleveling (I received an L3 offer with 3 years of experience at similar caliber companies)

    If you don't have tier 1 Big Tech experience already, Google is great. It's going to unlock many career opportunities for you in the future. If the promo takes longer than you want (e.g. 2+ years), you can simply leave and you'll be considered L4 (mid-level) by every company you interview at.

    With that said, Google promotions are also slower to come by :/ And unfortunately, a lot of this is outside your control:

    • Google culture promotes slowly, with a requirement to show projects landing
    • Google (and most of FAANG) has limited scope since they're mature products.
    • You need to build relationships with peers to get promoted which will take time

    With that said, your promo to L4 is less reliant on your team/org success, and more to do with completing your work on time with high quality. So that part is in your control!

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      Friendly Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      a month ago

      Hey Rahul. I joined Google in a similar situation. I had 2 YOE at Amazon prior to joining Google. Google's process took a long time (7 months to be precise). So I didn't get an option to apply for L4 at the time of applying. But since joining I realised my comp is also not on the higher side of L3 as well. I tried to negotiate even had counter offers of Mid level engineering positions at non FAANG companies. But still the recruiter didn't move the numbers. Would it be bad if I leave the company within 6-10 months after joining?

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      Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
      a month ago

      How much is the delta between your current Google comp and the new offer you receive? if it's not huge, I'd wait to stick around until the 1 year mark.

      Also, how far away do you think the promo to L4 is? If you get L4 at Google, then mid-level engineer becomes the floor for any other company you apply to. And if you decide to come back, you'd come back to Google at least as mid-level.

      I tried to negotiate even had counter offers of Mid level engineering positions

      Did you do this before joining Google, or once you already had the job? If you have strong ratings and you repeat this tactic now, Google may increase your TC if you have a strong counter-offer in hand.

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      Friendly Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      a month ago

      With my previous pay Google base pay delta was 2-3%. They gave more stocks than amazon. So TC delta came to be around 30%.

      Other offers I had in hand had 20% more TC than Google offer

      Also, how far away do you think the promo to L4 is? If you get L4 at Google, then mid-level engineer becomes the floor for any other company you apply to. And if you decide to come back, you'd come back to Google at least as mid-level.

      I joined a relatively newly formed team. They are still trying to fill the manager's position. The projects my team would work on are also on very abstract stage now. Seems like getting promoted can take time here.

      • Did you do this before joining Google, or once you already had the job? If you have strong ratings and you repeat this tactic now, Google may increase your TC if you have a strong counter-offer in hand.

      I did this before joining Google. Recruiter was very rude, they were trying to sell Google tag at whatever terms they dictate. I talked to my reporting manager on this, and they said it's not possible to do anything once you join. I have seen from other forums Google generally doesn't increase TC with counter-offer once you join unless you are a TL or above?

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      Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
      a month ago

      I know multiple people who have gotten significant compensation bumps when they presented their Google manager with a substantially higher offer from a competitive company. But you're right that my examples have all been for Senior+ level employees.

      As a junior engineer, you're unfortunately too easily replaceable, so you likely don't have as much leverage. Since you have 2 YoE already, and almost a year at Google, I'd apply elsewhere and only consider mid-level roles: I'm confident many companies would interview you at that level, which could translate to a big compensation + career improvement.

      Here's how to avoid sharing what level you are during interviews: Recruiter Asking What Level I Am. (I cover this topic in Don't Overshare (Level, Passion, Timeline))

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      Friendly Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      a month ago

      I still have some time (around 6 month) to complete a year at Google. Do you still recommend completing an year. Because somewhere I feel I was been tricked by the recruiter and that kind of makes me feel bad everytime I think about it.

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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    5 months ago

    Sorry to hear about the downlevel - This is classic Google. And in this economy, it will happen more often. 😢

    Your manager will know if you're downleveled, and if they're a good, sympathetic manager, they will fast-track you to promotion (it's in their best incentive to do that because if you're downleveled for too long, you will just leave). However, this won't come for free obviously. You need to follow the advice in Taro of:

    1. Building a great relationship with your manager
    2. Working with them to create a clear growth plan
    3. Actually doing the work (landing impact, showing L4 behaviors deeply and consistently, particularly with code quality)

    On top of the L3 -> L4 course, I highly recommend the overall promotion course: [Course] Nail Your Promotion As A Software Engineer