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Why are there no text based courses in Taro?

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Mid Level Software Engineer at Taro Community12 days ago

Reading is generally a far more effective+faster medium to learn from.

You can skim, revisit it, take notes, summarize with AI, learn on the go

Curious why Taro courses have no video medium

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    12 days ago

    I agree that text is more efficient (and more searchable) compared to video. However, you also miss:

    • The "relationship" between the creator and consumer is much less significant with text. For very talented tech leaders, we want Taro to be a place where you can peek inside their thinking and thought process.
    • Video gives us a visual medium that can be extremely powerful. For example, Alex is very good at using memes and animations to make a point. This is much harder to do in text (e.g. this junior to mid-level course)
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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    12 days ago

    Good question! For Taro's particular use-case, it's an extension of our communal learning roots. Taro started off as a free community where Rahul and I would hop on a Zoom call (this was during pandemic times when people were stuck at home with nothing to do). That's a video-based medium, and when we organically spun that into a startup we quit our jobs for, video just made sense as that's what everyone in the community was used to.

    You can learn more about the overall story behind Taro here: "How did you decide to quit your job and make a startup?" - 9/13/2022

    On top of that, it's better to go with the market and what's established rather than against it as that usually involves training/convincing end-users to take on new behaviors, which is extremely hard. Coursera and Udemy are the biggest course players ever and they're video based. Even in our niche software engineer domain, websites like AlgoExpert and NeetCode are video based.

    This "go with the flow" method is actually something we learned the hard way through many mistakes. For example, we did magic link login (similar to Slack) instead of password-based, which is pretty much by definition safer (it's also less work for the user as they don't need to create/remember a password). However, users are so used to the email/password model as it's been around for 25+ years, that many people are confused as to where to enter their password. There's a ton of value in making something familiar as it reduces cognitive load for the end-user by leveraging their existing mental model of the world.

    Reading is generally a far more effective+faster medium to learn from.

    I would actually challenge this, even though this is the case for me (I rarely use videos to learn something).

    When it comes to learning, the challenge for most people isn't rate of information consumption, it's retention and motivation. The human brain is irresponsible by default - It's much more fun and tempting to binge Netflix than to consume a complex educational resource that makes you a more effective human, even though the latter is objectively better for you in the long run.

    Taro is also built for people who already have a good job and are looking to level up (not just those interviewing), and for them, they are coming back to Taro after a long day of work and are tired, so they need the media they consume to be inherently more engaging.

    This is where video comes in. Since video contains everything (text on screen, audio, and visuals), it's more engaging to the brain as it's stimulating far more senses. If the person behind the video is also someone you know/trust (as is the case for Taro as many folks in the community follow Rahul + personally), that adds another layer of stickiness and ease of deep engagement. This richness makes it far easier to both finish the resource and actually remember the information long-term so you can actually apply it.

    It's true that with pure text, you can pragmatically consume all the raw information faster, but if I give the average engineer a 25-page wall-of-text essay with some graphics here and there vs. a well-made 2 hour video course, I'm very confident that they'll do better with the course. There's a reason why educational YouTube + course platforms are an order of magnitude bigger than stuff like Medium.

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      Mid Level Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      12 days ago

      1 thing I would push back on:

      The difference between Taro and Neetcode is that neetcode is more algorithmically involved. You need visuals to really see how DFS/BFS works.

      Whereas taro is more like here's how to reframe your mental model when asking for favors. I dont need to retain much info (just the key ideas and then refer back when applying) and the cognitive load when consuming this is less.

      My pain point is this: I watch a course, now I want to ask my coworker for a favor. I want to apply what I learned from the course. I need to skim hastily thru 3-5 courses skipping between things to recollect what was exactly said. If im at work i cant like actually play the audio. I cant just copy paste the text in the slides/videos and then edit it

      or maybe I'm trying to make my PR at work better. Now I need to skim thru 3-5 vids and try to find what was said. Try to find that exact screenshot shown in the slides

      A middleground:

      I wish there was a "notes" or a "cheat sheet" to revisit. I could make my own notes but thats a chore. Is it possible to expose the transcripts? or maybe just genAI to generate an outline and then yall can refine it?

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      Mid Level Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      12 days ago

      re

      But Taro still doesn't have passwords right (just SSO/magic link)? curious why not?

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      Mid Level Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      12 days ago

      Also https://imgur.com/v7IFeUa

      Just noticed taro is scrubbing ":(no space)passwords" from the text appearing haha

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      12 days ago

      I wish there was a "notes" or a "cheat sheet" to revisit. I could make my own notes but thats a chore. Is it possible to expose the transcripts? or maybe just genAI to generate an outline and then yall can refine it?

      The course slides are effectively the notes/cheat sheet. Does that work? For every course with slides, you can click the "View Slides" button on the landing page for any course. Here's my DSA course as an example: https://www.jointaro.com/course/master-the-data-structures-and-algorithms-interview/

      If you're looking for something more thorough, a feature I've been thinking about is exposing the subtitles in a text reader pane somewhere on the course viewer page. Once you get that, you can theoretically build AI summaries on top of it.

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      Mid Level Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      12 days ago

      oh wait that helps. I didnt see that! I vaguely remember there used to be per video slide download but I could be wrong so I never bothered messing with it.

      Yeah that helps a ton. Thank you!!!

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      11 days ago

      oh wait that helps. I didnt see that! I vaguely remember there used to be per video slide download but I could be wrong so I never bothered messing with it.

      Unless Rahul or Charlie snuck something in without telling me, I don't think we've ever had this 😅

      The "View Slides" feature used to be very poorly designed. It was in an overflow menu on the course viewer page. There were 3 small dots on the left and if you clicked it, you would see the button to get the slides. It was super hidden and unintuitive, so very few people realized it existed.

      About a month ago, I came up with the redesign to create that big "View Slides" button that shows up underneath the course banner on the landing page, also moving the "Save Course" feature there as well to make it more visible.

      I'm glad that the slides are helpful 😇

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      Supportive Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      8 days ago

      by any chance, would it be possible to make the transcript available for each video?

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      8 days ago

      by any chance, would it be possible to make the transcript available for each video?

      I'll file a task, but this will be a more involved project as a heads up. Will take a while.