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Problematic relationship with manager

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Mid-Level Software Engineer at Quant Trading firm4 days ago

There is a clear lack of trust and dislike towards me coming from my manager. I haven't received any negative feedback directly, but this is a clear sense that I'm getting. I work in a relatively small quant trading firm, and I don't think regular advice like managing up and being vulnerable in 1:1s applies here. There are also no promotions here and you just increase your bonus comp over time based on your impact.

I've tried confronting the manager and they didn't acknowledge a problem, mostly saying that I'm doing great. And me constantly asking what's wrong only makes me less trustworthy and makes them want to further avoid me. And I don't think I can hold them accountable to anything, there is a great relationship between my manager and the founder, and it's not clear what manager is incentivised to do with regards to the team. They can just avoid me and I can't do much about it.

I think in the big picture my performance is great, but there are some smaller things that I might be doing that make me not very likeable and/or trustworthy to management. Here are some of these things that could be the reason:

1. Being anxious - comes from my nature and makes me look less trustworthy.
2. Further from my anxiety can come increased emotionality, talking a bit loudly, being a bit negative.
3. Talking a bit too much, being self-absorbed, not being a good listener,etc.

From here, besides obviously doing less of the above, I see two options: try to improve relationship with manager that doesn't like me, or try to avoid them, which to your possible surprise, might be a solid option, because the organisation is flat and small, and I can try building relationships with other leaders and stakeholders, and provide value that is seen by founder and others.

What do you think? Should I try to improve the relationship? If so, how? This is my first job out of college so I'm a bit clueless. Any advice or insights from your stories would be very much appreciated!

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    Mid-Level Software Engineer [OP]
    Quant Trading firm
    4 days ago

    Also let's just assuming leaving the company is not an option at all. What would you do?

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    2 days ago

    Can you explain how you tried 'confronting' the manager?

    I've tried confronting the manager and they didn't acknowledge a problem, mostly saying that I'm doing great.

    Instead of just getting the response that you're doing great, you should Ask For Specific Feedback. This will give you a much better idea of how you're doing. You can/should also repeat this exercise with others in the organization as well since you mentioned that it's pretty flat.

    The main problem here is the ambiguity around how you're doing. It could be the case that your performance is great but you simply don't have a close/vulnerable relationship with your manager. That could be totally acceptable, and you might still thrive in this role.

    Is your bonus paid out once a year? Do you have any indication you have on how you're trending for your bonus relative to the expectations? The bonus is a clear signal from the company about how much they value you (and how much they want you going forward). Use this as a way to gauge how important your manager relationship is.